Great players, wtf is that?

[Carrion]

I've been seeing some discussions on Nanny about how good or even great some players are. This actually bothers me, as I feel that just about anyone equipped with an intelligence not too much below average, a lot of free time, stamina and possibly a reliable connection could become the No. 1 guy/gal/thingy in any guild. Or, for that matter, solve every quest (not always possible to solve alone, though). There's just not much 'greatness' required! (Even though beeing a brilliant strategic master-mind would of course help.)

Comments?

(And no, except for a short while in Masters, I've never been No.1 in any guild...)

[Qwer]

There are/were many players with lots of free time, but I do think that there were some people who did something that noone could equal yet.

Connection, well I guess almost anyone has a decently reliable connection now.
Stamina, oh well, that's a bit harder I guess.
In my oppinion, the keyword is time. There was a time when I was mudding the whole day; well not really but a lot. So I know what time means. I'd like to go back to those days.

But these all are not enough.
I always admired the current Leper Messiah but I don't think they were great players for being the LM. Same goes with the Oracle... those just mean playing endlessly.

For example, what Rhuarc did, was a bit more than that. It is also a question of time but not only, it is not as simple as becoming a LM.
Also I wonder when a vampire will come that will equal Michel. Banned years ago, still leading some lists. Also a matter of stamina, but the truth is noone got even close to him. I do admire him.
Of course, something that I thought of these days, Nanny changed a lot too over the years. There are new things added once in a while but nothing will ever equal hard-pk system and quest requirements for me. It's just an exponential increase of the number of characters now. Under these conditions, of course everything changes. Very few players stick to a character and build it to the end, most have 10-20 characters and play each of them a bit, so they get nowhere (just like me). So I think the average 'weight' of a player decreased drastically, as the time invested in them too. That is probably a reason why some remember great players or characters with nostalgy.

my $ 0.02

[Carrion]

It is also a question of time but not only, it is not as simple as becoming a LM.

Ok, could you give examples of WHAT exactly it takes? Apart from a lot of time... What did Rhuarc do/have that my highest khorne don't/haven't (apart from almost 50 ranks)? What did Michel do, except playing A LOT? If you play a lot, and play actively, I still think almost everyone would be able to top Rhuarc in khorne, Michel in vampires, Bombadill in cultists etc... Ok, if guild points would be calculated extremely differently, then it could become impossible, but I don't think that's what you mean...

[Qwer]

I don't know, you tell me?
I am not exactly sure these players had more free time than anyone else in
this game. If this is the case, then I'm totally wrong. But unless they are aliens or so, I can't believe they had let's say, MUCH more time than I had, or many others had/have.

Btw, I have a vague feeling this isn't a Nanny-related question anymore
I had some free time in the past but still, I am no president of my country
or any famous person. Wonder why ...

Now I know it isn't the same thing but still, I do find something similar
about these. I don't have a rank 100 khorne but I probably could have, if I
count my online days. I just don't have one ... if I would go back to the days I started mudding, I am still not sure I would build such characters in a few years.
Unless this means my intelligence is below average, I can't find any logical explanation.

[Carrion]

I don't have a rank 100 khorne but I probably could have, if I
count my online days.

Exactly my point, you COULD have a rank 102 khorne, as could I. But in our cases, we chose not to put in all our Nanny-time towards such a goal.

I guess we'll just have to wait for someone else to pin-point something that might be a sign of greatness...

Also, this is not a try to belittle anyone, I'm just curious if anyone can give examples of what greatness would be in Nanny (not including the greatness of people's chatting/brilliance of conversation etc).

[Yberiel]

For me, greatness in Nanny is not to be on the top in whatever guild I choose to play. Greatness for me is not how well you speak or chat/spam either.
Greatness for me is (this is probably included in you etc, Carrion) the way you meet the others. Just take Yoshy, always helpful in every way posible. Yoshy is the hero for me in Nanny. Of course I do admire players like Polar, Nemesis and Rhuarc for reaching so high. But I personally admire players like Yoshy. They inspire me and make me want to be better and to grow in every posible way.


Ybbie..

[Yavathol]

I don't think I can be much help to you here, Carrion, as I agree with your point completely.

Any player can master the basics of the Mud and any guild they put their mind to.  The players that are mentioned as having been so "Great" happened to really enjoy the guilds they played and devoted a lot of time to them.  Certainly there are some little tricks and tips that apply to any guild - but these fall more towards the strategist type of mind (Which Michel definately had).  I can think of a few current vampires that would be as formidable if Michel if they put more time into those characters.

Still, I do admire people who can actually dedicate themselves so much to their character that they can just keep advancing within the game and the guild.  It doesn't neccesarily make them "great players" though, just tenacious ones.

[Carrion]

Just take Yoshy, always helpful in every way posible. Yoshy is the hero for me in Nanny.

Good point, Ybbie, and a good example. But this is for me more of a RL greatness, that extends into Nanny, not a greatness as a player in Nanny. (Not by my definition in THIS thread, anyway...)

[Yberiel]

You have a point, Carrion, although not everyone do the roleplayingthingy so I go for the personality. That is what means something.. to me anyway

[Yberiel]

I just read what I wrote in my first note.. I do think I have to clear something up.. I did not mean that players like Polar and Nemesis are rude and not helpful, because they are. Very much so..

Was just trying to explain the differens between reaching high goals in guilds/levels and not to reach so high but put their energy in other stuff..

God, I do ramble.. If I keep this up I will not understand myself...

Ybbie

[Qwer]

Still, I do admire people who can actually dedicate themselves so much to their character that they can just keep advancing within the game and the guild. It doesn't neccesarily make them "great players" though, just tenacious ones.

Good point, but this is something I could never do. It's easy to say that 'I can do that or that if I want to', but I just didn't... always get bored after a while, too quickly actually. There are some guild you do need to play a LOT to be high. And if I don't enjoy advancing I just don't do it. I avoid the making of xp for example if it's like going to work. Which means I never get to have enough experience points, way far away from what I would want to have. I mean the idea of Plevel 20 is nice but if I get bored after 200k then it's pretty hard to reach it.

[Yavathol]

I'm the same way, Qwer, which probably explains why I've been around so long and not approaching some incredible Paragon Levels.  It's not as if I don't know how to do it, but sheesh, talk about a lot of time!

I guess I enjoy the social aspects of the game much more than experince earning a lot of the time

[ladychris]

Hmm, I maxed my viking (btw i wonder how long she will be legend) and i didnt feel great at all, maybe a bit idiot for spending so much time on such a trivial task (*shrug* last summer i had a lot of time anyway).

No, I dont see any greatness in powerplaying to top of guild or PL 20, just dedication... and ofc if you dedicate your time to that, your social life will suffer (both RL and nanny). I agree, "great" players for me are not top of list, just "great" ppl that probably are great iRL as well.

Apart from social skills however i admire ppl that have demonstrated they can use their brain. Some puzzles/quests require a lot of time, other need luck, in many cases you are stuck because you cant find right sintax, but some really require you put your "grey cells" to work... and these are the ones i love more, and ppl solving them are my Nanny heroes.  

Oh and in case you wonder what I mean, go solve my riddle and my maze using the given hints

[Kherec]

Great players, to me, are of two groups:

- Players skilled in one or two guilds.

This player is exceptionally skilled in a guild, meaning they know the guild inside out and can do things, not only tenatiously (as with khornes ranking) but exceptionally fast, faster than others. Ie, they are very efficient as well, not just putting in a lot of time. That means I can consider a mere rank 25 Khorne to be a 'great player', much better than others who have a much higher rank, because he or she plays a lot better but haven't had the time to reach a higher rank. Well, to use Khornes as an example.

- Players with knowledge of all guilds.

The really great players, in my book, are those who know how to play all guilds, how to play Nanny, plain and simple. They know how to party with different guilds effectively, how to utilize each guild etc.

In short, it's about how you play, how efficient you can be with the guild, not how much time you can put into a character, although I do admire the tenacity of people like Rhuarc in Khornes, Michel/Karzak/Allyene in Vampires, Kemmerich and other Chefs, the top Masters etc.

And about Michel, what made him a great player (in my opinion), is just that, he learned how to play the game, it wasn't just a matter of putting in insane hours, it was insane effort as well to explore, learn the tricks and find a way to utilize the mud with any given guild, completely.

[Carrion]

This player is exceptionally skilled in a guild, meaning they know the guild inside out and can do things, not only tenatiously (as with khornes ranking) but exceptionally fast, faster than others.

I don't really agree... You can of course be impressed, but what do these players really know? A lot of monsters of specific alignment, perhaps some HP/strength/value/dexterity/loot/whatnot ratio... Good routes, speedy fingers (client?)... They have learnt a lot of tricks, but let's face it, it's not like it's nuclear science is it! I still say just about anyone, with the time and interest would be able to 'know a guild inside and out' and advance really fast.

The really great players, in my book, are those who know how to play all guilds, how to play Nanny, plain and simple. They know how to party with different guilds effectively, how to utilize each guild etc.

This is not more skill, just more, I'd say... Of course, at some point, a below-average person may have trouble to remember everything...