Stealing kills

[Kymn]

I don't mind having one or two kills stolen from me once in a while, but when the killstealer is too pathetic to say sorry, I'll be on him/her like a leech til I get some sort of revenge  

[Carrion]

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But what do I know, I was the biggest noob when I was playing nanny.
I'm always a noob.

When it comes to self-pity, you're not a noob, you're a MASTER

[Ereshkigal]

Am I wrong or does someone have way too much time on his hands? Or am I the only one who thinks that he is posting _way_ too many notes?

Ereshkigal

[Smudge]

No, you're not wrong.  No, you aren't the only one who thinks that.

[Hewe]

Someone is writing what I see as interesting comments about the GAME.

I also think Someone is being very patient.

[Carrion]

Am I wrong or does someone have way too much time on his hands? Or am I the only one who thinks that he is posting _way_ too many notes?

Ereshkigal

WTF? Talking to ME???

[Sharlana]

Once upon a time I was killing Sir in Harthorns area and set my owl, named Sharsowl to watch over my kill, and unamed player came along and killed hiim then complained that he was blinded and couldnt I mark the kill another way. I think that people dont need to move so fast they dont have time to assess the kill.

[Ereshkigal]

Okay, that someone was certainly not me.

This makes me nostalgic though. This kill-stealing thing has always amused me. So I guess I will get spammy about it. (After all this forum needs notes.)

This kill-stealing thing bothers me so little that I have pretty much changed my attitude about it at will. In fact, I was a real hypocrite about it. (And no, I am not proud of it. These are just really amusing memories for me. So you can hate me for it, I don't care.)

If someone I liked stole a kill from me, I used to be really tolerant about it. For example, once Malfeithor stole a kill from me and all I did was tickle him on paragon line. I don't know if he would have done it if he had known it was my char. Knowing him he probably would have. But still, it just amused me. On the other hand, another vampire (whom I will not name) once stole a kill from me and I called him such nasty things that he forgot about the kill-stealing accusation and started arguing with me over my language. When I was really new, I even reported a vampire for kill-stealing and he got banished as a result (probably because I hadn't been the only one to complain).

I was just as inconsistent on the other end. I rarely stole kills with non-vampire chars. But my vampire was fairly nasty. I remember once my first vampire char and one of Karzak's chars were partying (he was helping me with a blessing or something, in the good old days before the xp system got unfriendly to parties). And I kept stealing from some leper (probably Rowen's if I remember right). Actually I only realized that I was stealing once, but evidently I had done it lots of times. I think he sent a threatening tell to Karzak that if I didn't stop stealing, the whole lepers guild would focus on stealing kills from me. I am not sure why he didn't send the tell to me, probably just to get it across that he was too good to talk to me. Besides, it would be really hard to steal kills from a vampire, but then we all know how bombastic Rowen can get. (No offense if you ever bother to read this Rowen, its all good fun!)

As Sharlana said, no one needs to move so fast that they don't have time to check the kill. But vampires kill so much that most of them are too lazy to care. And that was the case with me too. Usually if I started on a kill and found it damaged, I didn't stop unless I had a reason to believe that it belonged to someone I liked or if I was going to get caught in the act. Usually my attitude towards this has been that I will steal from someone who can emotionally deal with it. But I guess I haven't really been consistent with that either. Quite recently (i.e. maybe a year back) I stole a kill from some leper with a name starting with Z (don't remember exact name). He figured out it was me (since there were about 3 people online then) and started asking me if I stole from him. I ignored him. He got pissed off and kept asking me if to at least admit it. But I kept ignoring him and his temper kept mounting. I was a real sadist with him.

And just to repeat:
No, I am not bragging about being a jackass. I really find this stuff funny in retrospect. I don't like making people unhappy, but sometimes I did. Its just a game. I know some people are really sensitive about this stuff, and I don't mean to make fun of them for it. I have had a real short fuse too with some issues. But in the end, I think these are the things that keep the game alive. Just imagine how boring life would be if all of us acted like kniggets. *shudder* We need chaos!

Okay, I am done with my nostalgia. *sniff* Nanny was so much fun. But I guess it is over for me now (except for spam like this).

Ereshkigal

[Opus]

Then you have the kill stealers who will leave you with your mouth wide open. You are fighting Carrion's troll king when a cultist suddenly enters, steals the kill, goes from negative alignment to positive and at the same time goes from sane to insane. Later you find the same cultist running around green, dropping equipment as a product of insanity, trying to get back to negative alignment. You are left asking yourself "Why????". Or you are fighting an archangel or something with an equivalent alignment and a party of a high level knights enters and finish your kill in a couple of heartbeats.

[Ereshkigal]

*gasp* Kill-stealing kniggets!

Hehe, that reminds me. I never stole kills with my knights. But one day I was killing in Weronoop's area and I thought I was the only person killing there since all the tower guards seemed to be there. So I stopped checking shapes. When I got to the ones in the northwest corner, I hit my orb kill and shield bash alias without checking anything. The shield bash missed it, but as the combat had started, I saw its shape which was "deplorable". So I left the room immediately. And at the same time this druid called Amazon entered the room. Apparently it had been her kill. So then she started yelling and screaming at me. I quickly explained what had happened, apologized for it and pointed out that I had not actually killed the monster, in fact I had left when it was still low shape. However she still kept on yelling and screaming until I just got tired of apologizing and just left. After a while some RT called me for the usual scolding session and I had to spend some 10 minutes trying to convince him that I had intended absolutely no harm and that I had really not done any harm either. But I imagine she was still egging him on to kick my ass. It was like she wasn't going to be happy until she saw my head on a platter. I was left thinking - "Wow, what the hell is your problem?"
 
A little later though I was able to see her get what she deserved. She had developed this habit of idling in the room south of Pet to hide from the TAG club. (Apparently she thought that no one would be able to recognize the description of this room, you know, since it is one of the better known rooms in the game. ) I warned her (as Ereshkigal) that it was a really bad idea to sit there since if someone else attacked Pet the flames would hit her. But she kept doing it. A couple of days later a vampire named Ydo (not mine, but one of my friends - and no, I didn't ask him to do this) decided to kill Pet. He went and found her there and told her to leave. She was probably too idle to notice or just didn't care. So he went ahead with his kill and she got fried to death. And the flames consumed the corpse as well as the coins. After a while she was freaking out on the paragon line about how Ydo got her killed and stole her money. Ydo and I were too busy laughing to manage a coherent reply to calm her down.

Okay, so half this note had nothing to do with kill-stealing. But it was amusing anyway.

Ereshkigal

[Carrion]

Ah, nice to see some activity here. Why not dig through the old logs and paste one or two in the nostalgia part, or somewhere else (Snafu seems REALLY slow at putting up logs sent to him though   ).

That story about the cultist stealing my troll king was just hilarious Who was it???

And to finish this note, I just want to say I really hate kill stealing. Period. (Which is why I felt so ashamed when I stole a kill from a fellow high ranked khorne some year ago, but I really try to play as effective as possible with that char and my bite is pretty effective also.)

[Opus]

Ah, nice to see some activity here. Why not dig through the old logs and paste one or two in the nostalgia part, or somewhere else

My problem is that I have all my output sent to a huge log-file. I only split it into several parts when my computer can't handle the file any longer. So I sure have everything stored on disk, but there is no way I will be able to retrieve it

That story about the cultist stealing my troll king was just hilarious Who was it???

I honestly don't remember. I remember I asked Mytho if the cultist had any problems and the answer I got suggested that he/she/it was not very popular in the Cult either.

And to finish this note, I just want to say I really hate kill stealing. Period. (Which is why I felt so ashamed when I stole a kill from a fellow high ranked khorne some year ago, but I really try to play as effective as possible with that char and my bite is pretty effective also.)

I once partied with Fortyseven and his simyarin sidekick. We mutilated high level kills in a matter of heartbeats. In such a party it is very easy to accidentally steal a kill, especially if the monster is auto-attacking.

[Escaflowne]

Would a stolen kill be as offensive if it were an NPC doing it?  When you strip away the personal feelings of anger and a desire for justice, you are left with an inconvenience.

Speculating on the psychology of someone who steals kills by calling them immature, etc., is a call to question your own maturity.  It isn't them you are hurting when you call them names.  You honor a person in thinking about them.  The best way to think of bad people is to think of good people instead.

[Carrion]

Would a stolen kill be as offensive if it were an NPC doing it?  When you strip away the personal feelings of anger and a desire for justice, you are left with an inconvenience.

Speculating on the psychology of someone who steals kills by calling them immature, etc., is a call to question your own maturity.  It isn't them you are hurting when you call them names.  You honor a person in thinking about them.  The best way to think of bad people is to think of good people instead.

You're probably right, but I think it's a decent way to let off some steam to write a bit about ones annoyance over kill stealers. It's just a game, and this is just an online forum. Both quite enjoyable though, in my opinion.

It's also interesting to hear about what other people think about different things, for example kill stealing BASTARDS

About an NPC doing the stealing, I would be more surprised than angered, I think.

[Opus]

Would a stolen kill be as offensive if it were an NPC doing it? 

If you stole a kill from a NPC and he/she/it complained to an RT, would you speculate on its psychology thinking "Wow, what the hell is your problem?"? Or would that be immature?

If an NPC would steal a kill, then I would consider it to be part of the game. If a player steals one random kill, I would also consider it to be part of a game. But when a player stalks you and tries to steal every kill it can from you, then there is a human being behind that keyboard trying to ruin my gaming experience.

(I think the killstealing npc would be an interesting idea. Consider a good piece of weapon or armour. If you leave a monster in deplorable shape while healing, a demon appears, finishes the monster and runs away with all the loot. Would be an interesting and unpredictable drawback.)