Stealing kills

[Sharky]

Well spoken, Maggs!

You forgot:
c) it feels good to take someone down you don't like, or don't agree with.

Silly me.... and I thought that's why the arena exists...

[Yavathol]

Hey Maggs,
So nice to see you back!

I have to agree, there is something so satisfying about seeing a character that relishes annoying everyone get banished.  I guess I should have put that under my guilty pleasures.  

[Snafu]

I guess I should have put that under my guilty pleasures.  

EXACTLY!

/Snafu

[ladychris]

'You forgot:
c) it feels good to take someone down you don't like, or don't agree with. '

No I don't.

It does feels good, however, to see chars intent on spoiling other peoples enjoyment getting wiped - and it happens a lot.

Enjoy it while you can.

Nannys player base is smaller than anyone would like to see, and its not acceptable to have people put off playing the game because of the actions of mostly bored 'experienced players'. When I get bored with the game I stop playing, go down the gym, ride horses etc etc. I don't take my frustration out on Nanny (a al Sync et al).

I get a life.

*applauds*

[Qwer]

This is *exactly* what I said you just make it sound so innocent. Guess I am still far from a decent english, I can't twist the words as you do.

[Hellspawn]

Just got one from poor. cut the head off a nd run away! I'm so happy!
 

[dulcineea]

New piece of killstealing fresh from the mud.
 I was playing my cultist and waiting for a ceremony. Indeed the request for one came and i went to secure a kill. Got the monster to fairly poor while waiting for un update from an idle cutlist and when I saw her go LD initiated the ceremony. When i went back to the monster...surprise surprise... It was not there anymore...so teleportation really exists and has been patented by guardian monks.
 It's a hard thing for a cultist to fight the 8 minutes countdown while trying to find another suitable kill and it's even harder when you need to hold the ceremony yourself. Got another monster to poor and the time expired and I got a sanity curse.
 Well, even if it sounds like that this is not a note where I'm complaining and asking for a pat on the back. Not at all. It's a fact note! The fact is it happens and this is not the only time recently. It happens both with marked and unmarked kills. I just posted this to show that most of the times money can't compesate a stolen kill and you can do much more harm than stealing some xp and eq from a fellow player.
 Some will surely snicker others will understand. This killstealing can ruin the fun of the game and can drive people away. I love Nanny too much to ever give up but a newer player might not. This is not the Nanny I like. This mud is too big to _have_ to steal kills. I know it's easier not to but "explore and ye shall find kills in undamaged."

[Maggs]

*Sympathy*

In fact, kill steal affected more than just you, it screwed the whole
guild for a few hours. It is therefore not even close to being funny :/

M

[Fenix]

this whole thread seems kind of pointless...everyone has the possibility of marking their kills...so as if someone tries stealing will suffer various consequences...the feature is implemented...what's the wabbling about here?
sometimes you just don't have the time to "shape" every monster around...that's not kill stealing...the only valid kill stealing is when u try killing a marked monster and no doubt the one who marked it will know...as well as the admins.

[Fenix]

[Khorne] Kara: are you kill stealing?
[Khorne] Kara: what the fuck is up with that?
[Khorne] Civatateo: me?!?
[Khorne] Kara: we are in the same guild
[Khorne] Kara: hell yes
[Khorne] Spliff: stone him!!!
[Khorne] Civatateo: shape monster before you attack
[Khorne] Spliff: stone him to death!!!
[Khorne] Kara: why are you taking kills you cannot kill?
[Khorne] Kara: wouldnt you have to heal like a few good times to kill that on your own?
[Khorne] Ruscovic: Kara, shape the kills you are taking on...
[Khorne] Civatateo: I was killing him, if you would do 'shape' you would have seen
[Khorne] Kara: i am killing kills that neither one of you should be killing
[Khorne] Civatateo: Kara you are only 1 age higher
[Khorne] Ruscovic: Rank =)
[Khorne] Kara: still, it is a difference!
[Khorne] Ruscovic: Kara, stop bitching, you tried to steal his kill now appologize.
[Khorne] Kara: that was not a rank 15 kill
[Khorne] Ruscovic: So?
[Khorne] Kara: why am I shaping for lower guild members? is that supposed to make sense? I would do that if another rank 16 was on
[Khorne] Civatateo: what if it was a person from another guild, it is ok to  steal from other guild AND lower char from your own?
[Khorne] Kara: it depends on what guild, they have marks or signs anyway
[Khorne] Kara: and really only knights kill in that area
[Khorne] Kara grins evilly.
[Khorne] Ruscovic peers at Kara.
[Khorne] Kara: afk
[Khorne] Ruscovic: Its kinda lousy to accuse someone of killstealing when its the other way around.
[Khorne] You nod solemnly.

A GREAT example of a lame POINTLESS discussion.
80% of the knornes don't even know they have a room just south of the share room to get marking signs.
This whole incident could of been avoided if some smart ass over there would of marked the kill instead of "shaping" it.  

[Maggs]

I find that people that are motivated to steal do not care about
a mark.

I don't quite agree with your definition of kill stealing. I would say
that kill stealing is deliberately taking a monster that you know has
been damaged by another player, regardless of the prescence or otherwise of a mark.

Still, we all have our differences of opinion - it makes it all fun -
even with Carrion (sometimes)!

M

[Fenix]

now what's so hard to understand? every feature in this game has a purpose   if you dont't use some features it's your choice and stop complaining   A kill it's YOURS only when u MARK IT. That's the whole purpose of marking. Or is this a useless feature?
Now the dark runes hurt stealers, the knight runes remember the stealer as a proof of stealing, that druid birdie screams her lungs out on the guild line and so on!
The one who steals a marked kill and you have the proof of that (that's the mark itself) should and will get punished.

USE THE GAME's FEATURES!!! and understand it's not my duty to "shape" it's your duty to MARK  

/there's no such thing as stupid software, only stupid users.

[Maggs]

I do understand you, I just don't agree. Thats my perogative (and yours
of course).

Happily, it won't be my definition of kill stealing that will matter in the final
analysis. Equally, it may not be yours either.

[Yavathol]

USE THE GAME's FEATURES!!! and understand it's not my duty to "shape" it's your duty to MARK  

Gee, by your own logic then you should use the game feature Shape instead of this lame attempt to justify yourself by hiding behind claiming signs.  Your point doesn't even make sense when we extend it out.  Let's see - as an example:

the knight runes remember the stealer as a proof of stealing

And this somehow deters killstealing how?  Let's be honest, there have been plenty of players that found such a declaration (claimed kills) to be the very ones they wanted.  So, sometimes Khorne's signs, Knights runes, and any other signs out there that don't actually damage the stealer can actually attract attention.  After all, if someone steals my claimed kill, just how exactly is knowing who it was result in them being punished for it?

Regardless of whether a kill is marked has no impact on whether the kill stealer is punished.  Let's be honest about that right up front.  They aren't punished.  

As for the assertion that it isn't your duty - fine, you don't want to take responsibility for such actions, we can't make you - but we sure will continue this thread to talk about it and how it hurts the game.  Don't like us discussing it, I guess there are two options:
1) Don't read this thread
2) Don't steal kills - meaning any kill started regardless of signs

On a side note - I don't really think the guy who started a thread entitled "time wasting machine" should accuse anyone else of having a "lame POINTLESS discussion."  It really stinks of hypocrisy at the very least.

[Fenix]

On a side note - I don't really think the guy who started a thread entitled "time wasting machine" should accuse anyone else of having a "lame POINTLESS discussion."  It really stinks of hypocrisy at the very least.

Now that's REALLY lame   i'm not by far a hypocrit , just a geek killing rabbits in my so called "free time". Just like you

Okay...let's get over that...about this kill stealing...the "shape" command wasn't implemented for one to check if a monster is taken by someone else but the marking feature is for that purpose only. Q.E.D.
If i run into a monster and i find it good or poor or any other shape instead of undamaged, with no mark whatsoever my only choice is to wait for the so called claimer who could as easy be logged off or shout(40 SP wasted) maybe maybe someone will answer. Now that's weak...really weak and lame. You know i'm right...if you mark your kill you make things easier for everyone.

That's all...keep wabbling about as long as you wish...i don't mind...