Stealing kills

[Sharky]

It wasn't about killstealing from a newbie... it was all about bad attitude.

[Kherec]

Actually Hellspawn, Qwer admitted to steal kills even though he notices the low shape while fighting, if he's on with a 'non-good' char, all in the name of roleplaying or laziness ... which is highly a matter of attitude

So I do think there were a reason for this discussion to turn into a discussion about roleplaying as an excuse to steal kills.

[Qwer]

At least you're not accusing me of raping newbies.
If you try hard you might get that too out of wha I said.  

(No offense at all, just couldn't resist to say this as it just crossed my mind )

How interesting, I'm discussing this matter with 3 RTs and a druid. I'm kind of outnumbered. Anyway I saw druid stealing my kill, and that should me so much more an offense as they have kill-stealing protection...

Ah, I don't steal claimed kills. If that happens, well once in a year eventually.
I do advise people to mark their kills so I won't start them. When someone steals like 2 kills form me I start to claim them. Then they tend to stop, for some reason. It's simple as this. Can't you too just do this?

[Sharky]

How interesting, I'm discussing this matter with 3 RTs and a druid. I'm kind of outnumbered. Anyway I saw druid stealing my kill, and that should me so much more an offense as they have kill-stealing protection...

Outnumbered? Not really... we're just discussing this matter and anyone can state his/her oppinion.

As for druids killstealing, I must shamefully admit I did it by mistake a few weeks ago. It was past 12:30am and I was really sleepy. So I forgot to check the shape of the elf and I simply attacked... Opq had attacked him, so he was already in v weak

[Smudge]

Same thing happened to me yesterday.  Didn't check shape and hit the castle monster once, and he was dead.  Oops.  No one ever came along, even though I waited several minutes, so I assume whoever was killing it either forgot or left.  But, still felt bad about it.

[Qwer]

When I talk about a kill-stealer, I usually mean people who kill the monster and leave, and don't reply to tells. I use to give a tell or two especially to knights, monks, druids. Sometimes to others too.

[Kherec]

I wasn't talking in the capacity of a retired Knight of the Round Table, I was talking in general.

I roleplay my evil chars, and I don't have to steal kills to do that, or be rude to newbies ... that's the point I wanted to get across anyways.

[Qwer]

Still missed the point a bit.
I don't have to, or need to, I just don't care. Shit happens.

It is a big difference between following people to steal kills from or steal once in a while because I just happen to attack a monster someone else did too just before.

Anyway this thread is a bit over-discussed I guess. I have posted a lot in it.

[Carrion]

People are so different... In RL, and on Nanny... I don't really know why, but I think kill stealing, and I count the 'oh, I noticed the ape was in weak shape after the first hit, but I was too bored to stop hitting' as kill stealing, is sooooo lame (so f00kin' lame). Strange... But it really ticks me off... And afterwards, the 'so what?', or 'thanks for the help' answers, especially if I play a low-level unknown char... Ooooh, I get m-m-m-m-m-m-m-mad!

[Qwer]

There. Carrion's brilliantly sparkling mind enlightened us all. Thank you for your wise contribution to the discussion. It was extremely educating.

[Hellspawn]

especially if I play a low-level unknown char...

Carrion u only have low-level unknow chars.
Ups... I guess that is rude but hell I'm a dark! I'm roleplaying right now anoying isnt it?
Nah that's not roleplaying! That's just me so if ppl dont like me just stop playing nanny, more kills for me.
 Newbs r fun especialy when u get to kill them. Why should I like newbs? eventualy they'l get bigger and stronger thanks to me and ppl like me, if u keep on helping them they tend to depend on others, join knights and be newbs even after 5 yers of playing.

[Sharky]

Nah that's not roleplaying! That's just me so if ppl dont like me just stop playing nanny, more kills for me.

Oki, I propose that a wiz creates a special area where only Hellspawn will be allowed to hunt.... Nanny being so small it must be really hard to find monsters.      

Why should I like newbs? eventualy they'l get bigger and stronger thanks to me and ppl like me, if u keep on helping them they tend to depend on others, join knights and be newbs even after 5 yers of playing.

1. Oki, I suggest we all elect Hellspawn as the biggest, strongest, darkest player so he won't feel frustrated.
2. If they become eternal newbies, it's their fault... But I must admit I somewhat agree with Hellspawn on this matter.

[Yavathol]

2. If they become eternal newbies, it's their fault... But I must admit I somewhat agree with Hellspawn on this matter.

Hey, I somewhat agree with him on that point, with one slight difference.  I have had to come "rescue" 19th level plus players from almost every guild from rooms within 7 of Green.  Yeah, there are times I think there are a plethora of young knights that would benefit from learning their way around and how to play on their own, but it is far from limited to a single guild.
If you add in the tells requesting help about how to find something or other, or how to enter combat with this or that monster... well, that would include ALL guilds, including Dark.  The fact of the matter is, even newbies have seconds and no guild seems to be giving a pre-entrance exam.

I've never had a problem with helping out actual "newbies" but it sure gets frustrating when someone who is level 18+ is sending me tell after tell wanting to know where to join the Traders and how to get some special item.  My favorite though, are the times I am asked "Will you get me 250,000 experience points?"  Those just make me roll.

[Hellspawn]

this thread is getting nowhere some1 pls close it

[Russ]

Hi All  

Well, I have to admit, when I posted the first message, I wasn't expecting quite such a response!  

I guess I should start of by explaining how I play... When I go on a killing spree, I always try to do a shape before attacking. If a monster has been hurt and noone is in sight, then I will go off and kill some different monsters for a while and come back say 5 minutes later. Obviously this isn't fool proof, as you can't always do a shape before hand, if the monster attacks you etc... But it usually works.  However, I have still accidently taken someone elses kill, and in that situation I substituted an equivalent monster for it (got it down to the same health etc.) to make up for it, so that the other person didn't lose out on XP or money.

However, I am aware that other people probably don't have the same outlook on stealing kills as me, and with the help of Hellspawn etc. I do see where they are coming from. However, I think there is another issue here that I should raise. I (and probably quite a few other people) play Nanny to escape from the real world, where most people don't give a damn about anyone else...    So to come into Nanny and meet the same attitude is a bit of a shock, especially when most people are curtious, respect others etc... I chose to play Nanny over other MUDs mostly because of the people, and the game itself came second.

I guess the lesson that I have learned from all of this is to not expect other people to act in the same way as me. Everyone is different, which is good. But, if everyone took the approach of only looking after themselves, and damn everyone else, then Nanny and the world in general will become a much worse place to be...    Unfortunately I really do believe that this is becoming more and more the case as life becomes more and more competitive... I hope I'm wrong...  

Hmm... probably gone on long enough!  

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